Romani (Gypsy) Chakra

The Roma chakra, was adopted in 1971 at the First World Romani Congress as the official symbol of the Roma (“Gypsy”) people, resembles a Hindu Chakra wheel, and not unintentionally. Chosen deliberately to honor the Romani’s Indian heritage, the sixteen spoked wheel adorns the Romani (Romany) flag, and is reminiscent of the wheels of the Vardo, or Wagon, which has served as the home for wandering Romany families for more than a hundred years. The origin of the Roma people has until somewhat recently been shrouded in misinformation and misunderstanding.  Historical romantics have asserted their origin to be anything from wandering Egyptian mystics (The appellation “Gypsy” stems from this misunderstanding) to a lost tribe of Hebrews.  Anthropological and DNA evidence has since put the factual history of the “gypsies” to rest, but the public has been somewhat slow to follow. Roma or Rom means “people.” Romani people generally refer to themselves by tribal affiliations. Common references like “Gypsy” are considered extremely derogatory and are never used by the Romani to refer to themselves. Related Symbols: ChakrasDharma wheel

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Carol April 21, 2014 at 9:01 pm

I want to talk about forms of dance that were developed and spread by gypsy peoples. I don’t want to use the word Romani (or Rom, or Roma, ghak, I’ve just spotted a Romanichal above – what is happening to the nouns? Which is correct?) because that excludes peoples like the Dom & Lom who would not self-identify as Rom & who are involved in some of these dances. “Travellers” seems to me to refer only to modern Rom***, and to make sense in Britain rather than North America, and actually to be becoming pretty pejorative lately.

I’m informed that some feel that the word “gypsies” is pejorative like the “n-word”. Is that really true? I never heard that until very recently; I think in North America it’s in very common use by people who are Rom*** or have Rom ancestors. It would be great to be able to use it to mean all the… um… gypsies, actually. That just seems to me the only word to include all the groups, historically and worldwide. Is there another?

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Dan Ruv August 30, 2013 at 9:14 pm

I am trying to trace back my origins.. Have been called to discover my Romani heritage through dreams.. ancestors trying to contact me.. Been researching intensely on my own, but the information is so scattered and hard, almost impossible to find. Any roma would like to talk? Please.. I am living in the United States. Help me discover more about my past, its important.. my email is danno.kei@hotmail.com. my Great grandmother brought her way of life, and teachings with her, but nobody knows where she came from.. she speaks to me in dreams, sends me symbols..

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Alexandra August 8, 2013 at 11:18 am

Okay, so this feels like I’m spamming however, I just wanted to say that I accidentally have sent two different posts and whereas they are both relatively the same, I did they do have different comments…… I just didn’t want to seem too persistent or rude.

Thank you!

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Alexandra August 8, 2013 at 11:14 am

Hi, my name is Alexandra Krause…. I found out not to long ago that my great grand father was a (in my uncle’s words) “Hungarian Gypsy Prince”. In all honesty I’ve no idea what that means, and it might not even be true. However, I am trying really hard to delve into my family’s history as I know basically nothing about it. And if this is true, I would love to know if I have other family members who are gypsy or romani or romany (I’m not entirely sure what it is that my great grand dad was). If I could get any information that would be… well, incredible! Plus, I would love to know what the culture is like. I did a little bit of research… but.. well, nothing like hearing it from the horse’s mouth I suppose. :)

Please e-mail me at alice.n.k@hotmail.com if you can help me out with this.

Thanks!

Alexandra

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dolores July 26, 2013 at 6:58 pm

My grandmothers side of my family was Hungarian and Romanian . I often wonder
If that part of my heritage is why I have odd dreams since I was little? Wish
I had a way to find out. Any suggestions?

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Adrian April 28, 2013 at 7:53 pm

I am Romani but do not have any connections to my Romani past. Does anyone know where I can find a place to research my heritage besides Wikipedia and whatnot? Is there a special website or group? I am a Chicheskew baby and don’t know where to start looking. Thanks

- Adrian

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Jennifer May 2, 2013 at 7:44 pm

I would suggest contacting these folks: http://romaniroots.webs.com/whoweare.htm They have quite a bit of material, and can point you in the right direction.

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Anita Németh April 20, 2013 at 9:18 am

Hungarians in the same way ancient people, ancient culture ..
as the Gypsies .. the Hungarian people for their own writing system, the runic script. Today, no longer used, but still familiar in Transylvania.

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Anita Németh April 20, 2013 at 8:55 am

Gypsy and Hungarian to be a one time special feeling …
Two people belong to the twice the responsibility.
I’m proud of both my people, most of their efforts and their success .. The will to live, the desire for survival, there is both the heart of the people ..
Need help do not really ever expect the big powers, but nevertheless, here we are.
Hungarians go for it! Opre Roma!

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Anita Németh April 20, 2013 at 8:52 am

Cigánynak és magyarnak lenni egyszerre különleges érzés…
Két néphez tartozni, az kétszer akkora felelősség is.
Büszke vagyok mindkét népemre, legfőképpen az erőfeszítéseikre, a sikereikre.. arra, hogy sikerült fennmaradniuk a történelem viszontagságaitól függetlenül. Az élni akarás, a megmaradás vágya ott van mindkét népem szívében..
Segítségre nem igazán számíthattak soha a nagyhatalmaktól, de mégis, itt vagyunk.
Hajrá magyarok! Opre Roma! :) :)

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Anita Németh April 20, 2013 at 8:46 am

Our ancestors once even traveled together. :) )

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Anita Németh April 20, 2013 at 8:43 am

Hungary has three major Gypsy groups. Vlach Gypsies, Beás and Hungarian Gypsies (Romungros).
The Vlach Gypsies speak the Romani language, a dialect of Lovari widespread.
The Beás spoken earlier version of the Romanian language.
My family Romungro, so unfortunately no longer speak the language of their ancestors. The Romungros only speak Hungarian.
In Hungary is not easy to be a gypsy.
Frequency discrimination, and our identity can be difficult to maintain. Unfortunately ..
There are many Roma groups have a common origin but made ​​one with us.

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Anita Németh April 20, 2013 at 8:30 am

Dear Gypsy brothers and sisters!
I’m a Hungarian Gypsy. Previously, I did not know the origins, because I was adopted.
Mother’s side being a gypsy origins ..
And I’m half gypsy, the maternal grandfather of. The Hungarian-born grandmother.
I am proud of my roots .. Gypsy
With all my heart I love my people.

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jimmy joe edwin devance April 4, 2013 at 2:23 am

Yes my name is jimmy Joe Edwin devance. Jimmy after my dad Joe and Jhon is my uncles Edwin is my pawpaws midel name his first name was Paul my grandmother name is lucille she past over at the age 73 I speak romani some its been a long time I have not been around romanis in a long time every one calls my gypsy that is my nick name that’s what all the bikers call me I am proud of who I am not proud of my past my dad did some things and his lawyer tryed to make it look like I did it in court my dad was not much of a dad but he was a good man I saw the good in him but the drugs mast up his life and his thoughts everyone has there owne demands some of use just don’t no how to fight them and I found out how to the heard way from inside a jail I found out that pople do. Not like use at all I have got in many fights over it a.d in jail I have had to fight for my life and done r things that I well have to ancer to god about I have had men try to kill me over my name and for who I am and over my last name if ur last name is out there were you live if you are. A romani u can Chang ur stars and better your name make it better for your kids I have 8 year old and one on the way thay are everything to me I live by the law of the land I live free if there is anything that u. Can tell me about my family fell free to call me I would love to talk to some Romanis my email is jimmyjoedevance@gmail.com send me a email and I well give you my number label it gypsy jimmy and I well no whAt it is well live free. Romanis and life is what u make it. Gypsy out :…..

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my name is sylvia February 14, 2013 at 2:41 am

I am proud to be Rrom my grand father&grandmother came from Russia my
Father&mother was born here in the USA and our family uncles and aunts and all
Ther family’s I love our life. But people don’t understand nor even try to know
Us guyshy think we are all thives just cause some reins are bad does not
Make all reins bad.There is good & bad in all nationalities not just mine
Thank you all.god bless us all

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Siobhan Kalder November 14, 2012 at 8:10 pm

I am third generation Rom on my father’s side from a sub tribe of the Kalderash clan call the Krizoviskish in romainia that was mostly destroyed in WWII. My great grand parents escaped to america along with another family (my father’s mothers family) to settle in Texas. My brothers and I are the first non- pure Rom of our line because my mother is of Ireland born and raised and of old lineage dating back to pre-christian times . Sadly my father, his mother my great uncle , my brothers and I are as far as we have learned the last of our tribe that was once a great many of healers and fighters.

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Siobhan Krizov November 14, 2012 at 7:58 pm

My Dad is Romani, but his tribe was one of three tribes of clan the Kalderash that was decimated during WWII. His family escaped to America and he is second generation but I’m a mix cause my Mum is pure Irish and from a old linage. Dad and his family always called themselves Rom not Gypsies. my Dad, my Graniea, My great uncle and my brothers and I are the last of our line, Krizoviskish healers and warrior tribe of the Kalderash clan. Irish and Rom is not a good combination to be in some places even in american public schools due to excange students and even some teachers because for all it’s freedoms america is full of people who still discriminate against the old ways both Celtic and Romani.

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Laura Hogarth October 31, 2012 at 10:07 am

I am 4th generation Romani gypsy from England and I have found it very interesting discovering my family history tree and it is great to understand why I do some things in life I can’t explain, I can not wait to visit England one day and do some more investigating and maybe meet my lost family. – laura AUS

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neil lanes October 19, 2013 at 9:00 pm

Im Neil I’m Rom I have hogarth in my family get in touch opre roma

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Dilynn Strickland August 23, 2012 at 6:45 pm

Hi my name is Dilynn Strickland. My whole life I haven’t known anything about my heritage. My mother would never tell me and my grandma would only say “Blessed be and live free,” and she would change the subject. I have been having really weird dreams for the past month, more of paranormal or supernatural things. Now my grandmother is in bad health. She decided to tell me about my heritage after I told her of the dreams I’ve been having. She is 100% Romani, her name is Etelka VanWinkle, her maiden name was Schnaberger. Her family dates back to the middle ages and her tribe was one of the first if not the first to practice witchcraft. The first tribe to use the cross, but not as the crucifix. I knew my family was weird because my mother is a ghost hunter who claims to be a medium. Now my grandmother told me she was a story/fortune teller. She says I have the bloodline of a witch. They were known as being the protectors of animals and being masters of the natural elements. Earth, wind, water, fire, spirit. I have had people tell me my whole life that I give off a weird vibe and it messes with their emotions, they don’t know whether to hit me or hug me. I’m a completely normal person though, I’m not some crazy kid or odd to be around. I just thought I would share, I don’t really know what to do with the information. My grandmother told me it was a great secret and that I could be harmed if spoken about it, but I mean its the 21 century so I don’t think anybody is looking to harm me, much less believe me. I’m just wondering if anybody out there is similar or knows more about this kind of thing. Again, I’m a completely normal person, I attend Oklahoma University(OU) for petroleum engineering. You can look me up on Facebook under Dilynn Strickland. Email me at dstrickland@luckymail.com or just comment on here. Thanks ahead of time. And I know how dumb all of this sounds.

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Peter Boyle June 26, 2012 at 11:51 am

My parents (father a Rom Catholic, mother a Bundist Jew) came to America from Romania in 1936. I have wandered all my life, as both parents believed in moving around as a measure of safety. They told me nothing of life in the old country nor taught me the language. Even ‘Americanized’ their name. Their idea of security was to become the same as everyone else in their new land, because where they came from to be ‘different’ was to be persecuted. Both believe in ‘diaspora’ as a way to keep their people safe from a ‘final solution’ as has been tried many times before to both their people.

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David hodges June 23, 2012 at 5:16 pm

Jimmy your name is devance. Your grandpa name was Paul. Idk if your jimmy or joe son. U have a lot of family in Athens. Last name ward. That was your grandmother last name. Maiden name I mean. Lucille ward.

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Debbie June 18, 2012 at 8:47 am

My Great grandmother a Rom born in northern India migrated to England as a child Later married in the uk and migrated here to Australia with their 3 children one being my grandmother who married a widow with 1 child and gave birth to 11 more.
As a child a I could never understand my wandering spirit. Until my heritage was explained and i was old enough to fully understand. I have been travelling all my life both within Australia and overseas often with no known destination, a job to go to and little or no money in my pocket. I often feel fortunate that I have received strong Rom genes but also a little sad that other than my own immediate family am yet to knowingly have met another Rom, soon to own my first vardo yippee

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Liza April 22, 2012 at 1:00 pm

I have found out the we are romani on my mother’s father’s side, which is historically accurate and handed down in the family, also by the use of rom as a middle name. On my mother’s side, her grandmother is full blood tatar and was adopted. This all occurred in Denmark. If there is any link to mysticism, then that I can vouch is still a strong trait in our family as well as dancing…

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debra March 20, 2012 at 6:51 pm

i have a brass or bronse wheel shaped with 16 spokes wall hanger with hindu face in middle is this rare

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jimmy devance July 28, 2011 at 6:36 pm

I am a romani gypsy from cleveland tx my name is jimmy devance devance is no are real last name it has been changed my family is from around tyler tx trying to fined more gypsys

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Aleksandra Vlaxa July 6, 2011 at 10:42 pm

My family is Kaldersasa, Lovari, and Sinti Romani. I love my culture and wish more people in the US would understand it :)

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johovo haymes May 16, 2011 at 10:46 am

very interesting and the informations is reliable

also sylvia i think you might strugle ive been searching for a while and its pretty hard nothing has been wrote down from about 20 years back

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sylvia January 5, 2011 at 5:39 pm

i just found out that i have romani in me how do i go about finding more factual information?

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Cindy Haviland September 28, 2010 at 7:49 pm

I LOVE the Gypsies and the Romani culture. I wish I could see more clothing and culture about them.

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Joe Bell August 2, 2010 at 11:39 am

Actually, we do refer to ourselves as Gypsies as well, at least the Romanichal in England do.

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